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1  Linux Stuff / Linux distributions / Re: NEW guruplug / openrd / sheeva installer images WHEEZY on: March 14, 2011, 04:05:23 PM

Hmm, either I have the worst luck (every time I try a link the server is having an outage) or the link is bad. Is anyone else having trouble getting to the link above?

Thanks
2  Linux Stuff / Kernel / Re: Where to download ftdi_sio for 2.6.30.2? on: April 29, 2010, 07:14:38 AM
Found what I neded here:

http://sheeva.with-linux.com/sheeva/

I had some DNS trouble the first day (I couldn't get to it when I posted). I also found out that I needed more than the ftdi_sio and usbserial I initially thought I needed. I also needed pl2302. Now I can start talking to the devices. :-)

Thanks
3  Linux Stuff / Kernel / Where to download ftdi_sio for 2.6.30.2? on: April 27, 2010, 07:09:38 AM
For the last few weeks I've been a bit busy and I haven't had time to work on the plug. I managed to download IPv6 and it's working but now I need to get my hands on the ftdi_sio module for my 2.6.30.2 (Ubuntu dist.). I tried Aptitude but it can't find it (just libftdi). Anyone know where I can get it without a kernel compile (I don't have time to set that up right now)? I need the driver for my pl2302, RS485 dongle and my Elexol USB io24 board (Home Automation).

Thanks
4  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 07, 2010, 08:34:08 PM
Okay followed the commands you gave me and ran into an error on the run command (wanted an env variable) so I just dropped the word run from the commands. I put the rootfs.tar.gz onto a usb stick that was formatted to ext2 and it was happy with that except it gave me an error about not finding uImage and modules.tar.gz. I reset and was greeted by a login prompt (Yeah!). I logged in and I have a working Plug again. Now onto MisterHouse (home automation). I'll have to load a few modules but that's later.

Thanks!

Edit: 04/11/202

The Sheeva has been running well and I now have Misterhouse working on the plug. I did notice that while booting the Sheeva complains about the following:

Code:
NAND device: Manufacturer ID: 0xec, Chip ID: 0xdc (Samsung NAND 512MiB 3,3V 8-bit)
Scanning device for bad blocks
Bad eraseblock 2122 at 0x000010940000
Bad eraseblock 2500 at 0x000013880000

I think explains the trouble with using the JTAG from the command line. So is this permanent or something that can be fixed?
5  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 07, 2010, 07:11:06 AM
Well that kind of worked. Here's what I did (thanks fragfutter):

Code:
Marvell>> dhcp
Marvell>> set serverip <hostip>
Marvell>> tftpboot 0x6400000 uImage
Marvell>> bootm 0x6400000
w
The result:

Code:
## Booting image at 06400000 ...
   Image Name:   Linux-2.6.30.2
   Created:      2009-07-23   1:53:36 UTC
   Image Type:   ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)
   Data Size:    2620440 Bytes =  2.5 MB
   Load Address: 00008000
   Entry Point:  00008000
   Verifying Checksum ... OK
OK

Starting kernel ...

Uncompressing Linux...
Linux version 2.6.30.2 (kelly@speedy) (gcc version 4.2.1) #11 PREEMPT Wed Jul 22 19:53:31 MDT 2009
CPU: Feroceon 88FR131 [56251311] revision 1 (ARMv5TE), cr=00053977
CPU: VIVT data cache, VIVT instruction cache
Machine: Marvell SheevaPlug Reference Board
Memory policy: ECC disabled, Data cache writeback
Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on.  Total pages: 130048
Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200 mtdparts=orion_nand:0x400000@0x100000(uImage),0x1fb00000@0x500000(rootfs) ubi.mtd=1 root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubs
NR_IRQS:114
PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 8192 bytes)
Console: colour dummy device 80x30
Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
Memory: 256MB 256MB = 512MB total
Memory: 513408KB available (4728K code, 998K data, 140K init, 0K highmem)
SLUB: Genslabs=11, HWalign=32, Order=0-3, MinObjects=0, CPUs=1, Nodes=1
Calibrating delay loop... 1192.75 BogoMIPS (lpj=5963776)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 512
CPU: Testing write buffer coherency: ok
net_namespace: 980 bytes
NET: Registered protocol family 16
Kirkwood: MV88F6281-A0, TCLK=200000000.
Feroceon L2: Enabling L2
Feroceon L2: Cache support initialised.
Kirkwood: Gating clock using mask 0x1ac224
bio: create slab <bio-0> at 0
SCSI subsystem initialized
usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
usbcore: registered new device driver usb
cfg80211: Using static regulatory domain info
cfg80211: Regulatory domain: US
        (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp)
        (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (600 mBi, 2700 mBm)
        (5170000 KHz - 5190000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (600 mBi, 2300 mBm)
        (5190000 KHz - 5210000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (600 mBi, 2300 mBm)
        (5210000 KHz - 5230000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (600 mBi, 2300 mBm)
        (5230000 KHz - 5330000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (600 mBi, 2300 mBm)
        (5735000 KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (600 mBi, 3000 mBm)
cfg80211: Calling CRDA for country: US
NET: Registered protocol family 2
IP route cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
TCP established hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
TCP bind hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 65536 bind 65536)
TCP reno registered
NET: Registered protocol family 1
JFFS2 version 2.2. (NAND) � 2001-2006 Red Hat, Inc.
JFS: nTxBlock = 4012, nTxLock = 32100
msgmni has been set to 1003
alg: No test for stdrng (krng)
io scheduler noop registered
io scheduler anticipatory registered
io scheduler deadline registered
io scheduler cfq registered (default)
Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 2 ports, IRQ sharing disabled
serial8250.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0xf1012000 (irq = 33) is a 16550A
console [ttyS0] enabled
brd: module loaded
loop: module loaded
Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
MV-643xx 10/100/1000 ethernet driver version 1.4
mv643xx_eth smi: probed
net eth0: port 0 with MAC address 00:50:43:01:c1:e6
libertas_sdio: Libertas SDIO driver
libertas_sdio: Copyright Pierre Ossman
NAND device: Manufacturer ID: 0xec, Chip ID: 0xdc (Samsung NAND 512MiB 3,3V 8-bit)
Scanning device for bad blocks
Bad eraseblock 2122 at 0x000010940000
Bad eraseblock 2500 at 0x000013880000
2 cmdlinepart partitions found on MTD device orion_nand
Creating 2 MTD partitions on "orion_nand":
0x000000100000-0x000000500000 : "uImage"
0x000000500000-0x000020000000 : "rootfs"
UBI: attaching mtd1 to ubi0
UBI: physical eraseblock size:   131072 bytes (128 KiB)
UBI: logical eraseblock size:    129024 bytes
UBI: smallest flash I/O unit:    2048
UBI: sub-page size:              512
UBI: VID header offset:          512 (aligned 512)
UBI: data offset:                2048
UBI error: ubi_read_volume_table: the layout volume was not found
UBI error: ubi_init: cannot attach mtd1
UBI error: ubi_init: UBI error: cannot initialize UBI, error -22
ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver
orion-ehci orion-ehci.0: Marvell Orion EHCI
orion-ehci orion-ehci.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
orion-ehci orion-ehci.0: irq 19, io mem 0xf1050000
orion-ehci orion-ehci.0: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00
usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 1-0:1.0: 1 port detected
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
USB Mass Storage support registered.
usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-datafab
usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-freecom
usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-jumpshot
usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-sddr09
usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-sddr55
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
rtc-mv rtc-mv: rtc core: registered rtc-mv as rtc0
i2c /dev entries driver
cpuidle: using governor ladder
cpuidle: using governor menu
sdhci: Secure Digital Host Controller Interface driver
sdhci: Copyright(c) Pierre Ossman
mmc0: mvsdio driver initialized, lacking card detect (fall back to polling)
Registered led device: plug:green:health
mv_xor_shared mv_xor_shared.0: Marvell shared XOR driver
mv_xor_shared mv_xor_shared.1: Marvell shared XOR driver
mv_xor mv_xor.0: Marvell XOR: ( xor cpy )
mv_xor mv_xor.1: Marvell XOR: ( xor fill cpy )
mv_xor mv_xor.2: Marvell XOR: ( xor cpy )
mv_xor mv_xor.3: Marvell XOR: ( xor fill cpy )
usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
usbhid: v2.6:USB HID core driver
oprofile: using timer interrupt.
TCP cubic registered
NET: Registered protocol family 17
RPC: Registered udp transport module.
RPC: Registered tcp transport module.
lib80211: common routines for IEEE802.11 drivers
rtc-mv rtc-mv: setting system clock to 2000-03-18 01:46:01 UTC (953343961)
UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_get_sb: cannot open "ubi0:rootfs", error -19
VFS: Cannot open root device "ubi0:rootfs" or unknown-block(0,0)
Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
1f00            4096 mtdblock0 (driver?)
1f01          519168 mtdblock1 (driver?)
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[<c00309c0>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xe0) from [<c003db50>] (panic+0x50/0x120)
[<c003db50>] (panic+0x50/0x120) from [<c0008ec0>] (mount_block_root+0x1d4/0x214)
[<c0008ec0>] (mount_block_root+0x1d4/0x214) from [<c000908c>] (prepare_namespace+0x90/0x1c4)
[<c000908c>] (prepare_namespace+0x90/0x1c4) from [<c0008734>] (kernel_init+0xc0/0xec)

I've tried /dev/mntblock0 and block1 but both just cause the plug to hang.
6  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 06, 2010, 05:15:58 AM
I have a working tftp server, any pointers to the uboot commands I need? I tried the Fedora kernel but it failed with something like unknown hardware (not a direct quote).

I've also got a USB thumb drive and an SD card available if that would work instead.

Thanks
7  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 05, 2010, 07:09:41 PM
The serial console looks like this:

Code:
Marvell>> reset                                                             
�                                                                           
         __  __                      _ _
        |  \/  | __ _ _ ____   _____| | |
        | |\/| |/ _` | '__\ \ / / _ \ | |
        | |  | | (_| | |   \ V /  __/ | |
        |_|  |_|\__,_|_|    \_/ \___|_|_|
 _   _     ____              _         
| | | |   | __ )  ___   ___ | |_
| | | |___|  _ \ / _ \ / _ \| __|
| |_| |___| |_) | (_) | (_) | |_
 \___/    |____/ \___/ \___/ \__|
 ** MARVELL BOARD: SHEEVA PLUG LE

U-Boot 1.1.4 (Jul 19 2009 - 16:03:28) Marvell version: 3.4.19

U-Boot code: 00600000 -> 0067FFF0  BSS: -> 006CFB00

Soc: 88F6281 A0 (DDR2)
CPU running @ 1200Mhz L2 running @ 400Mhz
SysClock = 400Mhz , TClock = 200Mhz

DRAM CAS Latency = 5 tRP = 5 tRAS = 18 tRCD=6
DRAM CS[0] base 0x00000000   size 256MB
DRAM CS[1] base 0x10000000   size 256MB
DRAM Total size 512MB  16bit width
Addresses 8M - 0M are saved for the U-Boot usage.
Mem malloc Initialization (8M - 7M): Done
NAND:512 MB
Flash:  0 kB

CPU : Marvell Feroceon (Rev 1)

Streaming disabled
Write allocate disabled


USB 0: host mode
PEX 0: interface detected no Link.
Net:   egiga0 [PRIME], egiga1
Hit any key to stop autoboot:  0

NAND read: device 0 offset 0x100000, size 0x400000

Reading data from 0x4ff800 -- 100% complete.
 4194304 bytes read: OK
## Booting image at 00800000 ...
Bad Magic Number
Marvell>>
8  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 05, 2010, 07:29:26 AM
My ftdi jtag interface would often be loose when it appeared tight and cause problems like this.
Double checked the cable, they're as tight as they can get and I removed the extender (took it from 1.5 ft to 3 ft) and the same result.

Thanks
9  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 05, 2010, 07:12:49 AM
Okay here's the output from the runme (on linux):

Code:
****   exec(modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x9e88 product=0x9e8f)
 ****   Preparing environment variables file ...
reading uboot/uboot-env/uboot-dflt.txt
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv baudrate 115200
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv loads_echo 0
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ipaddr 10.4.50.165
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv serverip 10.4.50.5
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv rootpath /mnt/ARM_FS/
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv netmask 255.255.255.0
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv stdin serial
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv stdout serial
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv stderr serial
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv console console=ttyS0,115200 mtdparts=nand_mtd:0xc0000@0\(uboot\)ro,0x1ff00000@0x100000\(root\)
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv mainlineLinux no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv CASset min
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaMonExt no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaCpuStream no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaWrAllo no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv pexMode RC
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv disL2Cache no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv setL2CacheWT yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv disL2Prefetch yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaICPref yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaDCPref yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv sata_dma_mode yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv MALLOC_len 1
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethprime egiga0
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv netbsd_en no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv vxworks_en no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootargs_root root=/dev/nfs rw
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootargs_end :::DB88FXX81:eth0:none
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv image_name uImage
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootcmd tftpboot 0x2000000 \$\(image_name\)\;setenv bootargs \$\(console\) \$\(bootargs_root\) nfsroot=\$\(serverip\):\$\(rootpath\) ip=\$\(ipaddr\):\$\(serverip\)\$\(bootargs_end\) \$\(mvNetConfig\) \$\(mvPhoneConfig\)\;  bootm 0x2000000\;
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv standalone fsload 0x2000000 \$\(image_name\)\;setenv bootargs \$\(console\) root=/dev/mtdblock0 rw ip=\$\(ipaddr\):\$\(serverip\)\$\(bootargs_end\) \$\(mvPhoneConfig\)\; bootm 0x2000000\;
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootdelay 3
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv disaMvPnp no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethaddr 00:50:43:4e:2a:14
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethmtu 1500
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv mvPhoneConfig mv_phone_config=dev0:fxs,dev1:fxs
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv mvNetConfig mv_net_config=\(00:11:88:0f:62:81,0:1:2:3\),mtu=1500
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv usb0Mode host
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv yuk_ethaddr 00:00:00:EE:51:81
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv nandEcc 1bit
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv netretry no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv rcvrip 169.254.100.100
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv loadaddr 0x02000000
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv autoload no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaAutoRecovery yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethact egiga0
reading uboot/uboot-env/uboot-nand-custom.txt
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootargs_root ubi.mtd=1 root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaMonExt no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaCpuStream no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaWrAllo no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv pexMode RC
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv disL2Cache no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv setL2CacheWT yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv disL2Prefetch yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaICPref yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaDCPref yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv sata_dma_mode yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv MALLOC_len 1
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethprime egiga0
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv netbsd_en no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv vxworks_en no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootargs_root root=/dev/nfs rw
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootargs_end :::DB88FXX81:eth0:none
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv image_name uImage
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootcmd tftpboot 0x2000000 \$\(image_name\)\;setenv bootargs \$\(console\) \$\(bootargs_root\) nfsroot=\$\(serverip\):\$\(rootpath\) ip=\$\(ipaddr\):\$\(serverip\)\$\(bootargs_end\) \$\(mvNetConfig\) \$\(mvPhoneConfig\)\;  bootm 0x2000000\;
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv standalone fsload 0x2000000 \$\(image_name\)\;setenv bootargs \$\(console\) root=/dev/mtdblock0 rw ip=\$\(ipaddr\):\$\(serverip\)\$\(bootargs_end\) \$\(mvPhoneConfig\)\; bootm 0x2000000\;
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootdelay 3
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv disaMvPnp no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethaddr 00:50:43:4e:2a:14
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethmtu 1500
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv mvPhoneConfig mv_phone_config=dev0:fxs,dev1:fxs
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv mvNetConfig mv_net_config=\(00:11:88:0f:62:81,0:1:2:3\),mtu=1500
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv usb0Mode host
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv yuk_ethaddr 00:00:00:EE:51:81
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv nandEcc 1bit
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv netretry no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv rcvrip 169.254.100.100
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv loadaddr 0x02000000
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv autoload no
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv enaAutoRecovery yes
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethact egiga0
reading uboot/uboot-env/uboot-nand-custom.txt
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootargs_root ubi.mtd=1 root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv mtdpartitions mtdparts=orion_nand:0x400000@0x100000\(uImage\),0x1fb00000@0x500000\(rootfs\)
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv ethaddr 00:50:43:01:c1:e6
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv real_bootcmd setenv bootargs \$\(bootargs_console\) \$\(mtdpartitions\) \$\(bootargs_root\)\; nand read.e 0x00800000 0x00100000 0x00400000\; bootm 0x00800000
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootargs_console console=ttyS0,115200
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv bootcmd run recover1
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv recover1 setenv mainlineLinux yes\; setenv arcNumber 2097\; setenv bootcmd run recover2\; saveenv\; reset
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv recover2 run recover3\; setenv bootcmd \$\(real_bootcmd\)\; saveenv\; setenv bootargs \$\(bootargs_console\) \$\(mtdpartitions\) root=/dev/ram0 rw ramdisk=0x01100000,8M install_type=nand\; bootm 0x00800000 0x01100000
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv recover3 run recover4\; nand erase clean 0x00100000 0x00400000\; nand write.e 0x00800000 0x00100000 0x00400000
uboot/uboot-env/fw_setenv recover4 usb start\; fatload usb 0 0x00800000 uImage\; fatload usb 0 0x01100000 initrd

 ****   Burning uboot and environment variables ... This will take few minutes ...

 ****   U-boot should be up and running now. Open your console ...

If you need more I can post later tonight, thanks!
10  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 04, 2010, 02:30:21 PM
Argh! The machine boots and loads the image but once done is printed poof nada, nothing, zilch. Any suggestions?

Edit: (sorry just found the edit)

Some more details: When I boot I get into uboot as I normally do. Then it goes through it's normal boot and finishes with this:

USB 0: host mode
PEX 0: interface detected no Link.
Net:   egiga0 [PRIME], egiga1
Hit any key to stop autoboot:  0

NAND read: device 0 offset 0x100000, size 0x400000

Reading data from 0x4ff800 -- 100% complete.
 4194304 bytes read: OK
## Booting image at 00800000 ...
Bad Magic Number
Marvell>>

Any ideas?
11  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 04, 2010, 08:52:57 AM
Okay never mind, I still don't know why it doesn't work under Windows (tried a second machine and it still didn't work) but by upgrading (ie compiling) the latest version of OpenOCD I was able to upgrade using the php script. I don't know if it worked yet but I'll find out soon enough.
12  General Category / General Discussion / Can't install get installers to talk to the Sheeva on: April 04, 2010, 08:04:50 AM
I'm going a little nuts with this. I've searched for ways to install a new OS on the Sheeva but I can't get the Installers to work (neither Windows or Linux). On both Windows and Linux they can't find the ftdi devices. I've tried everything the Wiki suggested (including the udev changes). I've managed to get my Ubuntu box to at least let me talk to the Sheeva's serial port (the slave port) with a " modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x9e88 product=0x9e8f" but only ttyUSB0 is dynamically added  (the logs show that two end points exist but only mentions ttyUSB0).

I've also attempted to tftpboot the Fedora kernel but that fails also (doesn't recognize the hardware). Any pointers on how to get this to play nice?
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