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1  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Reinstall GuruPlug without JTAG Module on: April 14, 2012, 10:55:53 AM
Further to this message;

I have received some invaluable assistance from the New IT support forums (thank you!) but I am still some way from feeling confident in how to proceed - Guides tend to be for other plugs, slightly different goals, etc.

To now, I am aware that it is possible to upgrade U-Boot, Kernel *and* RootFS all from JTAG, serial *or* within Linux. The first approach requires the JTAG module which I do not have and would like to avoid purchasing for full price. The second approach requires a serial cable which I do not have. The cost here is not an issue but not knowing exactly what cable and/or connector to use, etc, is a slight issue. I'd consider this option if I had to, but; The third approach is the riskiest but does not require anything new. I'd like to try this approach and obtain the JTAG module or serial cable if things went pear-shaped.

Now the simplest (and my preferred) reinstallation approach is the one outlined here: http://www.newit.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1810.msg5118.html#msg5118

Can anybody give a step-by-step guide for how to flash U-Boot, Kernel and RootFS from within Linux using the images (and possibly the same approach?) as in that article? Is it possible to use that approach 'as is' with mtd-utils? Again, if somebody could give some fuller instructions (or further reference material for me to read) I would be particularly grateful.

Thank you!!
2  General Category / General Discussion / Reinstall GuruPlug without JTAG Module on: March 27, 2012, 03:22:42 AM
From a working (boots and communicates over SSH) GuruPlug (Server Plus), is it possible to reinstall one or more of the following without the need for the JTAG module:

a) U-Boot
b) Kernel
c) RootFS

I have found the 'stock' files for each of these documented on the internet but the instructions use a JTAG module. Can any of the above items be installed without this from a working 'plug? Where possible, can you please give instruction on how to complete this.

Thank you.
3  General Category / General Discussion / WANTED: GuruPlug JTAG Module on: March 26, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
*** If this is in the incorrect category can a moderator please remove it as appropriate ***

Does anybody have an unwanted GuruPlug JTAG module? I would like to make use of one to flash my GuruPlug Plus but I am disheartened to see that this costs over 30... I understand it's a slim chance but I was wondering perhaps if anybody has one they no longer require?

Thank You.
4  General Category / General Discussion / (Potential) Beginners Questions! on: March 11, 2010, 08:55:58 AM
Hi,

The power of the various plug computers available on the market generates a real interest. I'm not sure "what" I'd like to do, however the prospect of the possibilities available makes me want to do "something" with one.

With this in mind:

- Is there any distinction between the modules in terms of "easiest" to get to grips with? I'd ideally like to get a GuruPlug Plus (naturally!) however is this harder, in any way, to use than for example an original SheevaPlug? Likewise, all software that runs on one plug, runs on all others, right? E.g., Tonido software designed for the SheevaPlug will run on the GuruPlug?

- With no prior knowledge of these devices (or any embedded systems apart from PIC microcontrollers) is it possible to self teach? Do they come with sufficient documentation to really make interesting progress? Unfortunately the plug computer "scene" has slowly become more and more quieter since my eye first caught these devices. This makes it appear a little daunting to a beginner... Is this the case? Is it possible to really start getting serious usage out of these plugs starting with no understanding? Likewise, my understanding on Linux does not really extend between some basic tweaking I did (generally following tutorials) on an EEE Pc.

Any advice welcomed.

Thank you Smiley.
5  General Category / General Discussion / Re: What version is the Plug at? on: February 26, 2010, 10:43:06 AM
...actually the GuruPlug + SATA is available to buy right now (from GS and NewIT).


Are they dispatching immediately or just accepting orders? On the site it says "Available for Pre-order, for delivery in April" however do you know something different to this?

Cheers.
6  General Category / General Discussion / Re: New IT SheevaPlug Customers - Which config did you buy? on: November 28, 2009, 05:42:29 PM

What are you wanting to do with the Sheeva?

How familiar are you with Linux?


I think that getting the basic is a good idea as it seems everything that is done on the higher packages can be done for free, using instructions on here, anyway... Though I'd (a) be a little worried about messing up and (b) like to make an image of the SD card if I got one with that so I could back up in case I do mess up. I assume there is a simple way to image the on-board flash if I buy the basic model however I don't know what that is yet.

I'm hoping to use Sheeva to, initially install Tonido and use their software to easily access my work. Normally at the moment I carry a pen disk to Uni with me but actually work on a machine there and a local machine at home. Keeping things in sync is a pain so being able to always access a "latest" version would be good.

Beyond this, I'd simply like to experiment... There are a few cool things I've seen. I'd like the idea of trying out SSH and also trying to set a Squeezebox server on it (Hopefully getting a Squeezebox for Christmas). The idea of VNC is also something I'd like to try.

I'm not all that familiar with Linux. I've used it in fits and starts, with my latest attempt messing with it on my EEE PC. I actually got pretty reasonable (Obviously no guru) when doing that but once I'd got it set up how I liked it, I never messed with it anymore and then that was that. I did try to run a mail server on a linux server at Uni however that setup was too old and didn't have the packages I wanted, I wasn't allowed to install what I wanted and so that never happened. I guess I could also play with mail servers on the Sheeva too...

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to use it as a Linux educational tool that also servers a functional purpose, too.
7  General Category / General Discussion / Re: New IT SheevaPlug Customers - Which config did you buy? on: November 28, 2009, 09:06:58 AM
No. I am interested in purchasing and not fully familiar with the differences. I tried to conduct more "thorough" research and understand what these plugs do and how and get various questions resolved. I got very few replies.

I decided maybe I'd get more by making the question simpler and people might be more likely to respond if it's a single click of a poll.

Then again, guessing by my karma rating on here I guess some people simply do not like people asking questions (I actually thought this 'plug might be a good way to learn more about Linux, so I'm obviously a bit of a self-proclaimed n00b, and need to ask questions!!).

Alas... Self promotion? Advertising? No. Would you like me to close the poll and/or thread?

EDIT: It seems you were actually one of the people in my other thread suggesting it'd probably be cheaper to buy in the UK to avoid import charges... Yet you think asking which model to purchase from (As far as I know) the only UK is distributor is somehow self promotion or advertising?  Undecided
8  General Category / General Discussion / New IT SheevaPlug Customers - Which config did you buy? on: November 27, 2009, 02:33:29 PM
Hi all,

Poll: Which SheevaPlug config did you buy/would you buy?

Detailed options available here: http://www.newit.co.uk/Sheeva-Configs.php

Shop (With prices) available here: http://www.newit.co.uk/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1

Thanks Smiley
9  General Category / General Discussion / 'Plug + ssl on: November 24, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
Hi guys,

Following on from my previous thread I have another question (Somewhat standalone). After alot of thought I think getting the dev kit is probably the wisest move however I am adament that I'd want the Tonido Embedded software. The only difference between getting the dev kit and buying the 'plug seperately compared with buying a TondioPlug is I'd not get the "SSL support for your TonidoPlug" for 5 years. This is valued at $19.99 per year when purchased without the TonidoPlug on their website. See here: https://store.tonido.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=3

However, I am not very sure  Embarrassed what ssl is.

From their website I gather that it gives an extra layer of security when logging into the 'plug outside of the network. This is something that I'd be doing alot of (To access files) and therefore would prefer to be protected.

Is what TondioPlug are offering "valuable" or is this a gimic and can be obtained from elsewhere for free and/or cheaper?

Thank you!

PS. The following pages on the Tonido website confuse me:
http://www.tonido.com/support/InstallTonidoLicense
http://www.tonido.com/support/InstallCA

How useful is this ssl if it requires you to manually install license on each computer you use it on? I may access from a variety of computers and would hope to not have to add this each time. If I do not add this, I assume I am getting no "benefit" from the extra layer of security, and hence does this become somewhat pointless?
10  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Lots of questions! on: November 22, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
Thanks for all of the replies. I've sent (far too much of) the day researching these beauties some more and trying to decide which path I should go down. I've put my thought process below, for anybody to point out any oversights (As can be seen by the time I've spent considering this, I'm really open in trying to find the best for me).

First, I considered UK distributors (Price includes shipping):

Quote
New IT SheevaPlug (Dev)
89
(95, 105 & 149 available)
Dimensions (L*W*D): 4.33" * 2.74" * 1.91"

And then US distributors (Prices include shipping):

Quote
Ionics (Dev)
$129.00
(78.15)
Dimensions (L*W*D): 3.03" * 1.97" * 0.28"

TonidoPlug (No Dev)
$141.50
(85.72)
Dimensions (L*W*D): 4" * 2.5" * 2"

GlobalScale (Dev)
$149.66
(90.66)
Dimensions (L*W*D): 4.33" * 2.74" * 1.91"

QuadPlug (No Dev)
$170.00
(102.99)
Dimensions (L*W*D): UNKNOWN

CloudPlug (No Dev + SATA)
$218.00
(132.07)
Dimensions (L*W*D): UNKNOWN

From this list, it appears that only Ionics and TonidoPlug are viable (Others are too expensive compared to the UK distributor).

Additionally, I know that whichever route I go down, I'd like to install Tonido Embedded. Considering the cost of this:

Quote
Tonido Embedded License
$29.99
(18.17)

Considering the costs with this included (TonidoPlug comes with this and therefore the price does not change):

Quote
New IT SheevaPlug (Dev)   + Tonido Embedded License
107.17
(113.17, 123.17 and 167.17 available)

Ionics (Dev) + Tonido Embedded License
96.32

TonidoPlug (No Dev)
85.72

Adding on 15% VAT (On the actual item price, not delivery) (New IT are a UK distributor and therefore VAT is already included):

Quote
New IT SheevaPlug (Dev)   + Tonido Embedded License
107.17
(113.17, 123.17 and 167.17 available)

Ionics (Dev) + Tonido Embedded License
105.31

TonidoPlug (No Dev)
94.98

Considering shipping time:

Quote
New IT SheevaPlug (Dev)
1 day

Ionics (Dev)
28 days

TonidoPlug (No Dev)
3 - 4 days

Leading to overall pro's and con's of each:

Quote
New IT SheevaPlug (Dev)
Pro's
   + Shipping time
   + No customs/import tax
   + Convenient returns (30 days)
   + Development model
Con's
   - Most expensive

Ionics (Dev)
Pro's
   + Small
   + Development model
Con's
   - Customs/import tax
   - Permanent plug
   - Shipping time
   - Protruding male JTAG
   - Inconvient returns

TonidoPlug (No Dev)
Pro's
   + Shipping time (Considering US distributor)
   + Tonido Embedded pre-installed
   + 5-year SSL license (Though this confuses me; Doesn't seem to use trusted identification. See here: http://www.tonido.com/support/InstallTonidoLicense)
Con's
   - Customs/import tax
   - No development model
   - Inconvient returns

With these considerations the Ionics can be discounted from any decision.

I'm now left having to decide between going with New IT or Tonido. Tonido seems cheaper and includes Tonido Embedded pre-installed however New IT model has the additional development IO's. I am not sure how much weight is held by the fact the TonidoPlug comes with a SSL license. Difficult decision!

And yes I think I did consider this in a little too much detail!  Cheesy

Cheers!
11  General Category / General Discussion / Lots of questions! on: November 22, 2009, 07:31:13 AM
Hi!

Firstly; I only found out about these devices yesterday and think they look great. I've very little experience with Linux/Unix and even less experience with servers (Or similar) however I simply want one of these devices. However this leaves me in a position of having lots of questions, which may be trivial to those in the know, that I'd hope to find answers too. I hope that you can ignore my ignorance and give any help possible! Below are a selection of some of the questions I'd like to ask; Last night I had many floating around in my head and I cannot remember them all... Hopefully I'll be able to add to this list as I remember... Without further ado:

1) It appears many different "models" of the 'plugs are available, including (But not limited to) CloudPlug, PogoPlug, TonidoPlug and QuadPlug. In what way to these differ from the models available in stores such as Globalscale, Ionics and New IT? Is there hardware and/or software differences? And if so, by consensus, which is the "best" model? If the differences are software: Is it possible to add the software to another 'plug? Essentially, I guess I'm asking which "model" of the plug is "best"? (Other models available/in development here: http://www.plugcomputer.org/index.php/us/resources/third-parties).

2) I am in the UK; Which store is recommended? New IT appears to have the obvious advantage that they are actually in the UK however their prices a significantly greater than other websites...

3) Speaking of New IT: They offer four different flavours (See here:  http://www.newit.co.uk/store/). Which one of these is the one to go for? I am happy to do another of the "mods" myself, however with little previous experience I am not against paying the extra (Small difference) to have it ready "Out of the box"... So that I can image the device in a "working" configuration is nothing else. It seems obvious to me that the model designed to run SD cards seems best however is there any disadvantage? Which is the one to go for?

4) "Dev kits" - It seems that these have some additional sockets available (I believe  a USB mini-socket)... Do the more commercial products not have access to these?

5) Are these any other recommendations to accompany a 'plug? Globalscale do an OSGi + JVM Add-on - Is this recommended? Anything else that I should purchase along with a 'plug (For the decision on which 'plug I'd buy see Q1  Wink).

6) It appears all existing 'plugs are very similar to one another - Is it likely that a new/improved plug will be around the corner shortly. That is, would I be wasting my money purchasing one now, or should I just go ahead?

7) Are any commercial applications recommended?

8 ) Leading from this: The TonidoPlug software looks very nice... On their website they mention and sell: "SSL for Tonido". Is this necessary? And if not, is accessing the 'plug (Any 'plug!) remotely not safe? Should this concern me? Is it possible to use SSL, for security, without purchasing a license from Tonido?

9) How can these plugs be accessed outside of the network that they are on? Would it be possible, for example, to purchase a domain (Which I can point to the device) so allow more convenient access to the device?

Thank you for all of your time. I'm very much looking forward to hearing from you. The 'plugs excite me a great deal and I'd love to use them for applications including (a) access data remotely, (b) access websites using SSH when unavailable/restricted elsewhere (Such as Uni), (c) experiment with Linux/Unix and (d) use VNC or similar. The idea of actually trying to develop one of these would be fantastic but I think that is a little way down the line yet.

Thanks once again.

Dan.
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